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UPDATED: Braindump Site Returns, Litigation Ongoing for Former Owner


5/14/2003 -- Troytec.com/Testkiller.com are back, in a way.

Troytec.com (also known as Testkiller.com), a popular braindump site that sold questions from Microsoft, CompTIA and other program's certification exams, shut down in June 2002 after police seized the assets of their former owner, Garry Neale, during a Texas county criminal investigation based on a complaint filed by Microsoft.

The site returned earlier this week under new ownership. It appears to be offering similar content to the previous site, if not exactly the same: Google searches reveal that the questions provided in the site's Microsoft demo are word-for-word the same as those found on many other braindump sites, both free and paid, across the Web.

Because of civil and criminal litigation of such sites during the past few years, U.S-based braindump sites are now practically nonexistent. However, international offerings have grown, with many based in Pakistan, India and China. As of yet, no lawsuit, civil or criminal, has been filed against a site with owners based outside the U.S.

According to whois, the Troytec.com and TestKiller.com URLs are now registered to Ladish Ravdah, with an address in Maharashtra, India.

In an e-mail sent yesterday announcing the relaunch, the new owners appear to be confident that they will be immune from any litigation. "It won't happen again that troytec.com will go out of business," the e-mail read. "We have rooted our feet outside the US so that there's no fear of software giants trying to shut us down again."

The e-mail was signed Gary Neal, a misspelled version of the former owner's name. This misspelling is also used prominently on the new site's home page, under a large picture of "Neal" that declares him the CEO of the new Troytec.

In an interview with CertCities.com yesterday, Neale's attorney, John Convery, based in San Antonio, Texas, said that Neale has nothing to do with the new site. "[Neale] sold the URLs [Testkiller.com and Troytec.com]," Convery said. "[He] is not facilitating or endorsing any effort on the part of the new owner."

When shown the picture on the home page, Convery laughed: "That's not him."

Convery also said that Neale denies sending the e-mail, which appears to be sent from the San Antonio area to the same list Neale has used over the past year to keep interested parties updated on the progress of his legal case. It contained purported personal statements from Neale, including the following about previous litigation: "Kindly note that currently we will not reveal any other details like those related to our case against CompTIA etc. and how we were able to get through with all those legal hassles. Hence, I would request all my loyal customers not to send me e-mails and ask me any such questions."

The e-mail contains some inaccuracies. The CompTIA litigation mentioned above, a civil copyright and trademark case, was filed against Neale, and its resolution was widely publicized when the settlement became public in late 2001.

And, in fact, Neale's legal troubles are ongoing: Convery said that the former owner is still fighting to regain the assets seized last year, and that the Bexar County District Attorney's office still hasn't decided whether it will file criminal charges against Neale based on the Microsoft complaint. (Several calls to the Bexar County District Attorney's office seeking information on the status of the investigation were not returned.)

"He does not know who sent that e-mail," Convery said. "It wasn't him."

Convery said that they will be sending an e-mail to the new owners asking them to remove any references to "Neal" from the site and refrain from using it in future mailings.

"We are not trying to disparage the new owners...we just want to make sure it's clear [Neale] has nothing to do with the new site," he commented. "This has caught us totally off-guard."

CertCities.com sent an e-mail to Ravdah yesterday to try to confirm ownership of the site, the content of the study guides and who sent the e-mail, as well as asking for comment on the legal and "Neal" issues above, but did not receive a response by press time. We also attempted to reach Radvah by phone using the number listed in whois, but received only busy signals.

CertCities.com also contacted a spokesperson for Interland, the U.S.-based hosting company of the Testkiller.com URL, to try to confirm ownership of the site and who pays the site's hosting bills, but did not receive a response.

Several Web searches for "Ladish Ravdah" returned no results.

CertCities.com also contacted Microsoft and CompTIA for comment on the relaunch as well as what legal recourse, if any, programs have for international braindump sites in general. Microsoft did not respond. CompTIA could not respond by press time, but did say a statement may be forthcoming.  - B.N.

UPDATE (5/22/03): Since this story was posted, Interland responded that although AIRN states that they are hosting the site, they are not hosting Troytec.com. CompTIA and Microsoft declined our request to comment, both citing advice of their legal departments as the reason, and Troytec.com has removed the name "Neal" from its site and several mailings, but continues to use "Gary."



There are 69 CertCities.com user Comments for “UPDATED: Braindump Site Returns, Litigation Ongoing for Former Owner”
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5/30/03: Anonymous says: They switched hosting companies.
6/1/03: teachur says: Gents& ladies, There are two sides to every argument. If Micosoft would test on the material in the book, provide ample study questions & be fair with their testing prices (which they are not) the chances of a windfall profits by test king, test killer an such would be minimal. On the other hand, all universities have frat houses which trade testing material because either the class it to difficult or the tests are not on the material presented or.. all the questions are poorly written to allow the student a successful pass.(like microsoft's tests) Now for the meat... If microsoft wants their property protected & Comp TIA the same, I recommend giving/compliing a test which is represenative of the material in the course otherwise.... get out of the testing & certification business & make you money in other ventures. Note: the FAA test pilots and recertifies bi-annually .... have not seen the brain dump companies jumping on the band wagon to sell these tests... mmmm wonder why??? Perhaps piolts are tested on the material presented. TEACHUR
6/1/03: Anonymous says: I think that Becky only encouraged many people to imitate mo' money and go on posting sprees to imitate him in an attempt to get him censored
6/2/03: Beer says: Sorry Teach, I hate to tell you but there have been "Study Guides" for FAA tests since I started flying 15 years ago! I put a post on the testkiller forum last week stating some of the facts that I had found and some of the ones listed in the article above and the forum vanished in less than 24 hrs. A who is now shows that the site is administered by someone in Sydney and DCNUT.com.au is the current host. There must have been some problem with Rackspace which they were using. In addition, at my mention of the picture not being Gary Neale the Troytec site had a new picture up the next day of "Toni" a pretty CSR. Now both sites are down and I guess this was a take the money and run scam.
6/22/03: Anonymous says: I've been reading the comments from both sides of the fence and it seems like an important point is being left out. Who says that IT Folks need certs? How much of this is propaganda from M$ and comptia? Why do we need them to tell us that we need a piece of paper to know what we know? Also why should the certs dicatate a monetary value? Have we as americans become so lazy that we forgotten that this country was built on hard work? I hear people bitch all day long about how much this person makes and blah blah. Well, who is stopping anyone from doing anything they want. We live in a land of opportunity. If I had my druthers, I would unionize, and, with the IT field being a technical/trade skill require a paid apprenticeship of a minimum 6 mo's to a year. Then and only then should you go for a cert after having your time verified by your employee. Bottom line make people "work" towards a cert not cert and look for work.
7/2/03: Anonymous says: Sure, someone can go out, get the cheat sheets, pass the exams, and become certified. However, when you sit down and talk with them on an interview, you'll be able to know in 5 minutes if they actually learned the material, or just memorized the test.
7/24/03: lvl86elf from his basement says: i think they should have a dungeons and dragons certification
7/24/03: lvl52wizard from the attic says: We should get together in your basement to discuss this possible business venture.
10/24/03: Anonymous says: I think everyone who is against braindumps should just shut up. Everyone needs to work so people will do what ever it takes to get a job. Some will say it is not fair, do you think its fair for movers to get paid $100 an hour just moving pc's and files, and its UNION too. Thats more than what some of you IT peeps make. Its all about getting a job and keeping it. Who cares how people get that job. Its the American Dream, dream thats about to fade because people from other countries will work for less money and work more hours.
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