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UPDATED: Braindump Site Returns, Litigation Ongoing for Former Owner


5/14/2003 -- Troytec.com/Testkiller.com are back, in a way.

Troytec.com (also known as Testkiller.com), a popular braindump site that sold questions from Microsoft, CompTIA and other program's certification exams, shut down in June 2002 after police seized the assets of their former owner, Garry Neale, during a Texas county criminal investigation based on a complaint filed by Microsoft.

The site returned earlier this week under new ownership. It appears to be offering similar content to the previous site, if not exactly the same: Google searches reveal that the questions provided in the site's Microsoft demo are word-for-word the same as those found on many other braindump sites, both free and paid, across the Web.

Because of civil and criminal litigation of such sites during the past few years, U.S-based braindump sites are now practically nonexistent. However, international offerings have grown, with many based in Pakistan, India and China. As of yet, no lawsuit, civil or criminal, has been filed against a site with owners based outside the U.S.

According to whois, the Troytec.com and TestKiller.com URLs are now registered to Ladish Ravdah, with an address in Maharashtra, India.

In an e-mail sent yesterday announcing the relaunch, the new owners appear to be confident that they will be immune from any litigation. "It won't happen again that troytec.com will go out of business," the e-mail read. "We have rooted our feet outside the US so that there's no fear of software giants trying to shut us down again."

The e-mail was signed Gary Neal, a misspelled version of the former owner's name. This misspelling is also used prominently on the new site's home page, under a large picture of "Neal" that declares him the CEO of the new Troytec.

In an interview with CertCities.com yesterday, Neale's attorney, John Convery, based in San Antonio, Texas, said that Neale has nothing to do with the new site. "[Neale] sold the URLs [Testkiller.com and Troytec.com]," Convery said. "[He] is not facilitating or endorsing any effort on the part of the new owner."

When shown the picture on the home page, Convery laughed: "That's not him."

Convery also said that Neale denies sending the e-mail, which appears to be sent from the San Antonio area to the same list Neale has used over the past year to keep interested parties updated on the progress of his legal case. It contained purported personal statements from Neale, including the following about previous litigation: "Kindly note that currently we will not reveal any other details like those related to our case against CompTIA etc. and how we were able to get through with all those legal hassles. Hence, I would request all my loyal customers not to send me e-mails and ask me any such questions."

The e-mail contains some inaccuracies. The CompTIA litigation mentioned above, a civil copyright and trademark case, was filed against Neale, and its resolution was widely publicized when the settlement became public in late 2001.

And, in fact, Neale's legal troubles are ongoing: Convery said that the former owner is still fighting to regain the assets seized last year, and that the Bexar County District Attorney's office still hasn't decided whether it will file criminal charges against Neale based on the Microsoft complaint. (Several calls to the Bexar County District Attorney's office seeking information on the status of the investigation were not returned.)

"He does not know who sent that e-mail," Convery said. "It wasn't him."

Convery said that they will be sending an e-mail to the new owners asking them to remove any references to "Neal" from the site and refrain from using it in future mailings.

"We are not trying to disparage the new owners...we just want to make sure it's clear [Neale] has nothing to do with the new site," he commented. "This has caught us totally off-guard."

CertCities.com sent an e-mail to Ravdah yesterday to try to confirm ownership of the site, the content of the study guides and who sent the e-mail, as well as asking for comment on the legal and "Neal" issues above, but did not receive a response by press time. We also attempted to reach Radvah by phone using the number listed in whois, but received only busy signals.

CertCities.com also contacted a spokesperson for Interland, the U.S.-based hosting company of the Testkiller.com URL, to try to confirm ownership of the site and who pays the site's hosting bills, but did not receive a response.

Several Web searches for "Ladish Ravdah" returned no results.

CertCities.com also contacted Microsoft and CompTIA for comment on the relaunch as well as what legal recourse, if any, programs have for international braindump sites in general. Microsoft did not respond. CompTIA could not respond by press time, but did say a statement may be forthcoming.  - B.N.

UPDATE (5/22/03): Since this story was posted, Interland responded that although AIRN states that they are hosting the site, they are not hosting Troytec.com. CompTIA and Microsoft declined our request to comment, both citing advice of their legal departments as the reason, and Troytec.com has removed the name "Neal" from its site and several mailings, but continues to use "Gary."



There are 69 CertCities.com user Comments for “UPDATED: Braindump Site Returns, Litigation Ongoing for Former Owner”
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5/14/03: Anonymous says: It's just another point of other countries harboring those whole would infringe on US patents and copywrites. I might as well move to India and start selling relabled microsoft programs. I'd make a fortune!
5/14/03: shishir from bangladesh says: thats what im doing now, and im making a mountain of money here. thank you microsoft:-)
5/14/03: Big Brother from everywhere says: braindumps support terrorism
5/15/03: Mr. T from Hollywood, CA says: Millions of dollars donated to India and this is the thanks we get from that country. Bill Gates, stop investing in talent overseas and help your local economy. I pity you fools in India.
5/15/03: Anonymous says: I think its great - who cares - If they test on real stuff - not maybes you would not need them ..
5/15/03: Anonymous says: Who cares? Braindumps have always been out there and always will be but it won't matter as certs are useless in an industry that's dead.
5/15/03: Anonymous says: Indians with certs... whodathunkit?
5/15/03: Anonymous says: Let's just call it even. Microsoft has messed up enough small companies, so they are getting something in return from some unknown source. Besides, isn't how this world works?
5/15/03: Anonymous says: That's really sad. First, if certs weren't relevant, we wouldn't all still be taking them. And if they tested on "real stuff" you'd still need them, as you are apparently too lazy to actually learn the material: you'd rather steal it. Just because you don't like Microsoft (though I suspect that you don't actually dislike them, you just see an easy target) doesn't give you the right to steal their material. It's an interesting mindset. I think you're a jerk. Does that mean I can steal your car?
5/15/03: Anonymous says: Sure you can steal me car, but you might get a bullet in the back of the head.
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