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...Home ... Editorial ... News ..News Story Friday: December 12, 2008
Microsoft Unified Communications Virtual Conference and Trade Show: Wednesday, May 21


UPDATED: Braindump Site Returns, Litigation Ongoing for Former Owner


5/14/2003 -- Troytec.com/Testkiller.com are back, in a way.

Troytec.com (also known as Testkiller.com), a popular braindump site that sold questions from Microsoft, CompTIA and other program's certification exams, shut down in June 2002 after police seized the assets of their former owner, Garry Neale, during a Texas county criminal investigation based on a complaint filed by Microsoft.

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The site returned earlier this week under new ownership. It appears to be offering similar content to the previous site, if not exactly the same: Google searches reveal that the questions provided in the site's Microsoft demo are word-for-word the same as those found on many other braindump sites, both free and paid, across the Web.

Because of civil and criminal litigation of such sites during the past few years, U.S-based braindump sites are now practically nonexistent. However, international offerings have grown, with many based in Pakistan, India and China. As of yet, no lawsuit, civil or criminal, has been filed against a site with owners based outside the U.S.

According to whois, the Troytec.com and TestKiller.com URLs are now registered to Ladish Ravdah, with an address in Maharashtra, India.

In an e-mail sent yesterday announcing the relaunch, the new owners appear to be confident that they will be immune from any litigation. "It won't happen again that troytec.com will go out of business," the e-mail read. "We have rooted our feet outside the US so that there's no fear of software giants trying to shut us down again."

The e-mail was signed Gary Neal, a misspelled version of the former owner's name. This misspelling is also used prominently on the new site's home page, under a large picture of "Neal" that declares him the CEO of the new Troytec.

In an interview with CertCities.com yesterday, Neale's attorney, John Convery, based in San Antonio, Texas, said that Neale has nothing to do with the new site. "[Neale] sold the URLs [Testkiller.com and Troytec.com]," Convery said. "[He] is not facilitating or endorsing any effort on the part of the new owner."

When shown the picture on the home page, Convery laughed: "That's not him."

Convery also said that Neale denies sending the e-mail, which appears to be sent from the San Antonio area to the same list Neale has used over the past year to keep interested parties updated on the progress of his legal case. It contained purported personal statements from Neale, including the following about previous litigation: "Kindly note that currently we will not reveal any other details like those related to our case against CompTIA etc. and how we were able to get through with all those legal hassles. Hence, I would request all my loyal customers not to send me e-mails and ask me any such questions."

The e-mail contains some inaccuracies. The CompTIA litigation mentioned above, a civil copyright and trademark case, was filed against Neale, and its resolution was widely publicized when the settlement became public in late 2001.

And, in fact, Neale's legal troubles are ongoing: Convery said that the former owner is still fighting to regain the assets seized last year, and that the Bexar County District Attorney's office still hasn't decided whether it will file criminal charges against Neale based on the Microsoft complaint. (Several calls to the Bexar County District Attorney's office seeking information on the status of the investigation were not returned.)

"He does not know who sent that e-mail," Convery said. "It wasn't him."

Convery said that they will be sending an e-mail to the new owners asking them to remove any references to "Neal" from the site and refrain from using it in future mailings.

"We are not trying to disparage the new owners...we just want to make sure it's clear [Neale] has nothing to do with the new site," he commented. "This has caught us totally off-guard."

CertCities.com sent an e-mail to Ravdah yesterday to try to confirm ownership of the site, the content of the study guides and who sent the e-mail, as well as asking for comment on the legal and "Neal" issues above, but did not receive a response by press time. We also attempted to reach Radvah by phone using the number listed in whois, but received only busy signals.

CertCities.com also contacted a spokesperson for Interland, the U.S.-based hosting company of the Testkiller.com URL, to try to confirm ownership of the site and who pays the site's hosting bills, but did not receive a response.

Several Web searches for "Ladish Ravdah" returned no results.

CertCities.com also contacted Microsoft and CompTIA for comment on the relaunch as well as what legal recourse, if any, programs have for international braindump sites in general. Microsoft did not respond. CompTIA could not respond by press time, but did say a statement may be forthcoming.  - B.N.

UPDATE (5/22/03): Since this story was posted, Interland responded that although AIRN states that they are hosting the site, they are not hosting Troytec.com. CompTIA and Microsoft declined our request to comment, both citing advice of their legal departments as the reason, and Troytec.com has removed the name "Neal" from its site and several mailings, but continues to use "Gary."



There are 69 CertCities.com user Comments for “UPDATED: Braindump Site Returns, Litigation Ongoing for Former Owner”
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5/15/03: Anonymous says: First the study guides should be used as a tool only if you wnat to use these exams without studying the material it is on you. You will be fired and guess what it will come quickly. But, employers beware, because even if you employee study it does not mean that the train that they reicve will be relevant to your business. IE (server 2003). It is still a catch 22 in the mix.
5/15/03: Anonymous says: Things like this will make Americans becoming anti Indian and Middle Eastereners and will change their attitude toward their Indian coworkers. Here we go, racism...
5/15/03: Anonymous says: That last person needs to learn how to spell and write. What is the problem with the IT industry? There is no problem with the IT industry. The problem is with the people who think that a certification alone will get them a 70,000 dollar job. Well as you can see that doesn't happen, so go out there and become well rounded and get a B.S. in CIS then a Master's in Management, and some certifications. And then all these open jobs in the IT career field, which is a lot; will be filled... So stop complaining about the industry or get out of it. I heard Wal-Mart is always hiring. Good-luck
5/15/03: Anonymous says: I never did my certification to get a new job or raise in the salary. I have used braindumps thinking that even though its cheating..it does add to my knowledge which I wouldn't have got doing nothing. My best bet is Experience, Books, and then braindumps for the certi..
5/15/03: Anonymous says: I dont' think it is brain dump. They are stealing it from Exam Centers overseas. Shut the exam centers in Asia. Re-design exam (with lab like cisco) and there won't be a single brain dump site.
5/15/03: Anonymous says: How can you stop braindumps from existing? Make all certs like CCIE? Yeah that will do but how many people will bother to take them for the price? How much profit will the vendors lose if less people bother about taking such expensive exams? Do you think they want to lose any profit that they currently gain from the current certs programs? Braindumps and cheats are always among academic world, it's just whether you want to take or leave it...just like business or politics which are never clean...ever!
5/15/03: dabamar from disneyland says: yo! its a brain dump! hoo cares? BRAIN DUMP! dont ya think it sounds rediculus?
5/15/03: Anonymous says: hoo is making these comments! i dont even understand!
5/16/03: Sick of this old topic - boring says: Wuteva is right, go to college and get a real qualification. Better still get years of real on the job experience and stop whinning about people using braindumps for certs as you all did anyway. The only thing this topic is producing is thousands of liars who used braindumps to get MCSE's and now they plead that they didn't, do you really believe that Microsoft do know that you used braindumps as part of your study!!! Der! of course they know. You all used them, you all went to www.mcsebraindumps.com so you can all stop your whining and saintly statements about non-dumping to get your certs - we don't believe you!!!!!!
5/16/03: www.mcsebraindumps.com says: Its still there; www.mcsebraindumps.com is actually still up and running with tons of real exam questions. How can it be that it is allowed to still be up and running with all of the actual exam questions so easily obtainable? I guess that Microsoft must realize that most people are only using it as part of a total study resource plan. Actually I'm glad its there for free and for all of us to use because it encourages discussion and interest in certification and also because people won't bother to purchase exams from websites like Testking, etc... when they can get exam info from www.mcsebraindumps.com for free. I'll bet that Microsoft probably understand this too. I don't think most people would only rely on braindumps to pass exams, that would be a bit silly.
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