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UPDATED: Braindump Site Returns, Litigation Ongoing for Former Owner


5/14/2003 -- Troytec.com/Testkiller.com are back, in a way.

Troytec.com (also known as Testkiller.com), a popular braindump site that sold questions from Microsoft, CompTIA and other program's certification exams, shut down in June 2002 after police seized the assets of their former owner, Garry Neale, during a Texas county criminal investigation based on a complaint filed by Microsoft.

The site returned earlier this week under new ownership. It appears to be offering similar content to the previous site, if not exactly the same: Google searches reveal that the questions provided in the site's Microsoft demo are word-for-word the same as those found on many other braindump sites, both free and paid, across the Web.

Because of civil and criminal litigation of such sites during the past few years, U.S-based braindump sites are now practically nonexistent. However, international offerings have grown, with many based in Pakistan, India and China. As of yet, no lawsuit, civil or criminal, has been filed against a site with owners based outside the U.S.

According to whois, the Troytec.com and TestKiller.com URLs are now registered to Ladish Ravdah, with an address in Maharashtra, India.

In an e-mail sent yesterday announcing the relaunch, the new owners appear to be confident that they will be immune from any litigation. "It won't happen again that troytec.com will go out of business," the e-mail read. "We have rooted our feet outside the US so that there's no fear of software giants trying to shut us down again."

The e-mail was signed Gary Neal, a misspelled version of the former owner's name. This misspelling is also used prominently on the new site's home page, under a large picture of "Neal" that declares him the CEO of the new Troytec.

In an interview with CertCities.com yesterday, Neale's attorney, John Convery, based in San Antonio, Texas, said that Neale has nothing to do with the new site. "[Neale] sold the URLs [Testkiller.com and Troytec.com]," Convery said. "[He] is not facilitating or endorsing any effort on the part of the new owner."

When shown the picture on the home page, Convery laughed: "That's not him."

Convery also said that Neale denies sending the e-mail, which appears to be sent from the San Antonio area to the same list Neale has used over the past year to keep interested parties updated on the progress of his legal case. It contained purported personal statements from Neale, including the following about previous litigation: "Kindly note that currently we will not reveal any other details like those related to our case against CompTIA etc. and how we were able to get through with all those legal hassles. Hence, I would request all my loyal customers not to send me e-mails and ask me any such questions."

The e-mail contains some inaccuracies. The CompTIA litigation mentioned above, a civil copyright and trademark case, was filed against Neale, and its resolution was widely publicized when the settlement became public in late 2001.

And, in fact, Neale's legal troubles are ongoing: Convery said that the former owner is still fighting to regain the assets seized last year, and that the Bexar County District Attorney's office still hasn't decided whether it will file criminal charges against Neale based on the Microsoft complaint. (Several calls to the Bexar County District Attorney's office seeking information on the status of the investigation were not returned.)

"He does not know who sent that e-mail," Convery said. "It wasn't him."

Convery said that they will be sending an e-mail to the new owners asking them to remove any references to "Neal" from the site and refrain from using it in future mailings.

"We are not trying to disparage the new owners...we just want to make sure it's clear [Neale] has nothing to do with the new site," he commented. "This has caught us totally off-guard."

CertCities.com sent an e-mail to Ravdah yesterday to try to confirm ownership of the site, the content of the study guides and who sent the e-mail, as well as asking for comment on the legal and "Neal" issues above, but did not receive a response by press time. We also attempted to reach Radvah by phone using the number listed in whois, but received only busy signals.

CertCities.com also contacted a spokesperson for Interland, the U.S.-based hosting company of the Testkiller.com URL, to try to confirm ownership of the site and who pays the site's hosting bills, but did not receive a response.

Several Web searches for "Ladish Ravdah" returned no results.

CertCities.com also contacted Microsoft and CompTIA for comment on the relaunch as well as what legal recourse, if any, programs have for international braindump sites in general. Microsoft did not respond. CompTIA could not respond by press time, but did say a statement may be forthcoming.  - B.N.

UPDATE (5/22/03): Since this story was posted, Interland responded that although AIRN states that they are hosting the site, they are not hosting Troytec.com. CompTIA and Microsoft declined our request to comment, both citing advice of their legal departments as the reason, and Troytec.com has removed the name "Neal" from its site and several mailings, but continues to use "Gary."



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5/16/03: Shrivpah from India says: By this time next year our population will have grown to 2.3 billion people. Of which 50 million will be MCSE's, soon it will be more of a comodity to be a plumber than an engineer.
5/16/03: Potential Billions of $$$$ in fees says: So what you are saying is that if 50 million people in India take just 1 MCP exam then that should make Microsoft an approx. $750,000,000 in exam fees alone. We should therefore actually see Microsoft shares and profits rise in the long term once MCP exams become common place in India and don't forget about the massive potential in the chinese certification market. I can see that Microsoft are on a winner here with the asian market and they will have a lot of those naughty exam websites to thank for it too. I think I might buy some Microsoft stocks as the future looks very promising indeed. Well done.
5/16/03: anonymous says: You cant stop braindumps from existing. I think if Microsoft was serious about tracking down and closing braindump sites they could do it. I dont know that they care. On the other hand, it is a shame for people who worked hard for their MCSE and really understand the material to be competing with people who memorized everything. Microsoft should take a hit though. They have stiff armed their competitors and cheat their way through things. So in a way it is unfortunate for those who prep hard but for a huge software company that doesnt care, serves them right.
5/16/03: Anonymous says: This is only about money. What about those "Get your MCSE in 14 days" bootcamps that sponsor web sites like TestKing.com? They just memorize, exam cramming", the answers of the real questions provided by TestKing, that by the way, you can get them for free in MCSEBraindump.com and other sites. Does M$ know this? Of course but as long as there is cash flowing they don't care. We need to educate ourselves and stop this certification hype. Also, as long as HR and recruiters keep using the MCSE to screen out candidates this won't stop either.
5/16/03: Anonymous says: MCSE was supposed to be intended for people with years of experience and the massive advanced study guides from MS Press (not Sybex, Syngress, Coriolis) are meant to be for review before taking the exam for refreshment, but once those All-In-One or exam cram kind of books are allowed to be published for MCSE prep by pin-pointing only the stuffs that will be asked in the exam, what's the difference between those cram books and braindumps? They're both the same as a braindump, only in different level on "cheating". What should MS do? Yeah, require a valid 3 years of job experience like CISSP does but what would happen? Much less people will take the exam and their profit from certs will decrease. So do you think MS will do it to prevent people from using dumps or any kind of shortcuts while losing profit? I bet they won't. MS or other vendors will never want to lose any profit that they currently enjoy from their on-going programs...like who wants??? So stop complaining about braindumps because if you use those cram books, 1-week MCSE bootcamp, practice/simulation exams made SO closely to the real exam (only different wording or approach) to prepare for exam, that's the same as using braindumps. What good is reading and memorizing books without having experience? How much different is memorizing books to memorizing hundreds of questions? NOT MUCH!
5/17/03: anonymous says: To the last post, that is what I mean. How is it any different , using testking.com MCSE guides as opposed to Selftest software? I would think there is a fine line and profit to be taken into consideration in this case. I once asked my instructor, an MCT and MCNI, how come these companies dont get angry when exam essentials or self test software mimics the questions so closely that sometimes you are looking at the same question word for word? she said because the tech companies get a percentage of the test questions in return for making it novell, ms or cisco authorized. She also said that if ms were making a percentage off of testking.com's profits, they would not be as angry about the whole braindump deal. Although it is like this in college courses as well. Often enough college instructors give their students a taste of the actual exam and think nothing of it. I guess the only legit way to get certified today , that would also be the most unpratical for most is to use the software or hardware for a while, glance over the objectives and then just take the test. But if it were that way, MS, novell or any other vendor would not make a ton on self study kits, practice exams and the actual exams. For a CNE in NEtware 6, that self study kit cost $399 and it included the same information as was on the novell documentation site with the exception of a demo copy, which could also be found on their site. It boils down to money, always.
5/17/03: Anonymous says: To the anti-braindumpers stop your crying and lying, you all used braindumps the lot of you. Everywhere you look on the net they are there for the taking. You are all a bunch of lying MCSE whingers. I think I'll check mcsebraindumps.com for those new questions right now. But later I'll state that I never used them of course.
5/17/03: Eren from Turkey says: with or without braindumps...Really hard to decide.Yes, they help people to pass exam but I can't stand when I get exam and all questions that I solved before from braindumps.For example last exam I passed CCDA,I worked very hard. I am sure I deserve this title but I am uncomfortable because %100 from dumps.
5/18/03: A solution to the problem says: Who cares about Troytec, at least his braindumps "Study Guides" were not word for word like the others. Why chase Gary Neal? What about cheat-test.com, hotcerts.com, certsheets.com, ace-it-certifications.com, pass-guaranteed.com, testking.com, 21certify.com, certifysky.com, cheatyourexams.com, exam-king.com, eecert.com, real-exams.com, and lets not forget the biggest encourager of the non-disclosure agreement our most known braindump site of all mcsebraindumps.com So how did I find these all of these sites, simple I just looked for 'MCP' on a search engine. Are they legal? most likely they are in their country of origin. I wish someone say for sure because they are certainly trading as legal sites thats for sure. How are people supposed to know what they can buy and can't buy? Plus many people don't even have to buy study guides because most people simply download them from Kaazar or edonkey for nothing. The obvious best way to ensure exam content is secure is to make a lot of exam questions simulated labs and change\cycle large question pools regularly. Otherwise make the exams open book tests like they do a lot now in colleges. Maybe Vendors and Tertiary learning institutions can learn from each others successes and failures.
5/18/03: Anonymous says: I just had to say, that I'm a big proponent of "If it works for you...". I've never personally used any of the dumps, but I can see why someone would. But, bottom line, the certs that I've achieved so far definitely make me feel more confident and knowledgeable about the material; having studied hard and sweated over many resources. I'm still (comfortably, mind you) with the same company for many years, and all that matters to them is that you know what you're doing and can implement it; but certs were a priority for ME to prove to MYSELF that I was capable and would end up knowledgeable. Lastly, I love the challenge!! I'm in the process of obtaining CCIE, and I've got to tell ya', when it's all said and done, I know that I'm going to feel like I've accomplished something!!!
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