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UPDATED: Braindump Site Returns, Litigation Ongoing for Former Owner


5/14/2003 -- Troytec.com/Testkiller.com are back, in a way.

Troytec.com (also known as Testkiller.com), a popular braindump site that sold questions from Microsoft, CompTIA and other program's certification exams, shut down in June 2002 after police seized the assets of their former owner, Garry Neale, during a Texas county criminal investigation based on a complaint filed by Microsoft.

The site returned earlier this week under new ownership. It appears to be offering similar content to the previous site, if not exactly the same: Google searches reveal that the questions provided in the site's Microsoft demo are word-for-word the same as those found on many other braindump sites, both free and paid, across the Web.

Because of civil and criminal litigation of such sites during the past few years, U.S-based braindump sites are now practically nonexistent. However, international offerings have grown, with many based in Pakistan, India and China. As of yet, no lawsuit, civil or criminal, has been filed against a site with owners based outside the U.S.

According to whois, the Troytec.com and TestKiller.com URLs are now registered to Ladish Ravdah, with an address in Maharashtra, India.

In an e-mail sent yesterday announcing the relaunch, the new owners appear to be confident that they will be immune from any litigation. "It won't happen again that troytec.com will go out of business," the e-mail read. "We have rooted our feet outside the US so that there's no fear of software giants trying to shut us down again."

The e-mail was signed Gary Neal, a misspelled version of the former owner's name. This misspelling is also used prominently on the new site's home page, under a large picture of "Neal" that declares him the CEO of the new Troytec.

In an interview with CertCities.com yesterday, Neale's attorney, John Convery, based in San Antonio, Texas, said that Neale has nothing to do with the new site. "[Neale] sold the URLs [Testkiller.com and Troytec.com]," Convery said. "[He] is not facilitating or endorsing any effort on the part of the new owner."

When shown the picture on the home page, Convery laughed: "That's not him."

Convery also said that Neale denies sending the e-mail, which appears to be sent from the San Antonio area to the same list Neale has used over the past year to keep interested parties updated on the progress of his legal case. It contained purported personal statements from Neale, including the following about previous litigation: "Kindly note that currently we will not reveal any other details like those related to our case against CompTIA etc. and how we were able to get through with all those legal hassles. Hence, I would request all my loyal customers not to send me e-mails and ask me any such questions."

The e-mail contains some inaccuracies. The CompTIA litigation mentioned above, a civil copyright and trademark case, was filed against Neale, and its resolution was widely publicized when the settlement became public in late 2001.

And, in fact, Neale's legal troubles are ongoing: Convery said that the former owner is still fighting to regain the assets seized last year, and that the Bexar County District Attorney's office still hasn't decided whether it will file criminal charges against Neale based on the Microsoft complaint. (Several calls to the Bexar County District Attorney's office seeking information on the status of the investigation were not returned.)

"He does not know who sent that e-mail," Convery said. "It wasn't him."

Convery said that they will be sending an e-mail to the new owners asking them to remove any references to "Neal" from the site and refrain from using it in future mailings.

"We are not trying to disparage the new owners...we just want to make sure it's clear [Neale] has nothing to do with the new site," he commented. "This has caught us totally off-guard."

CertCities.com sent an e-mail to Ravdah yesterday to try to confirm ownership of the site, the content of the study guides and who sent the e-mail, as well as asking for comment on the legal and "Neal" issues above, but did not receive a response by press time. We also attempted to reach Radvah by phone using the number listed in whois, but received only busy signals.

CertCities.com also contacted a spokesperson for Interland, the U.S.-based hosting company of the Testkiller.com URL, to try to confirm ownership of the site and who pays the site's hosting bills, but did not receive a response.

Several Web searches for "Ladish Ravdah" returned no results.

CertCities.com also contacted Microsoft and CompTIA for comment on the relaunch as well as what legal recourse, if any, programs have for international braindump sites in general. Microsoft did not respond. CompTIA could not respond by press time, but did say a statement may be forthcoming.  - B.N.

UPDATE (5/22/03): Since this story was posted, Interland responded that although AIRN states that they are hosting the site, they are not hosting Troytec.com. CompTIA and Microsoft declined our request to comment, both citing advice of their legal departments as the reason, and Troytec.com has removed the name "Neal" from its site and several mailings, but continues to use "Gary."



There are 69 CertCities.com user Comments for “UPDATED: Braindump Site Returns, Litigation Ongoing for Former Owner”
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5/21/03: Becky Nagel from Editor, CertCities.com says: Okay, I can't believe I actually got dragged into commenting on the mo' money situation (new low), but here it is. You asked why I don't delete his posts. Here's why I haven't so far: We only pull posts when they're vulgar or completely off topic. Until recently, mo' money's posts only occured under news stories that related somehow to money. More recently, he (or she) has begun to post it under every news story the minute its been posted. It's almost like a tradition now, I drop my newsletter, and the posts are up about 2 minutes later under all of them. That's been going on for at least a month I think now? (Mo' probably knows better than I.) He's a regular reader, and we do appreciate that. This is the first week that they've really become a discussion item themselves, which does change the situation. It would be nice if they'd go back to being posted only under stories that have to do with exam fees being raised, etc.....basically, I'm now waiting to see how it turns out. I appreciate mo money as a reader, but I don't like it distracting other readers. And I don't want to change the posts to a registration-only system because I do think people appreciate the ability to post anonymously, especially when it comes to controversial topics. And I don't have the time to go in and constantly remove posts either -- rather spend it writing news or getting new editorial up for you all. I planned on giving the situation a week or two more to work itself out. If you have an opinion on it, please feel free to e-mail it to me at [email protected] (please don't respond here as I'd like to get these comments back on track) or post in our forums. Maybe the day of anonymous postings should end, or maybe I should change our posting policies? Or I can spend more time going through posts -- it's really up to you. I rather think the freedom is good for everyone, but you tell me -- this is your site, and I'm just the facilitator. -- Becky Nagel, Editor, CertCities.com ([email protected])
5/21/03: Anonymous says: I think that the same 3 or 4 people write all the posts responding to articles on this site and this is all an incredibly nerdy free game that bored humans with no jobs like to play. Personally excluded of course. Oh yeah, and "mo money" forever! Yeah right haha
5/21/03: mo' money says: I love you Becky!
5/21/03: Becky Nagel from Editor, Certcities.com says: lol! Thanks for making them more fitting this week mo'! Now, back to the topic at hand: braindumps!!! (please do e-mail if you have a comment regarding posting!)
5/22/03: Reality from California says: Pansy Bill, Shouten Steve, and the Microsoft Gang are convicted monopolists. Just because they got some stupid DAs in Bexar County, who knew nothing of what they were doing, to shut down Troytec/Testkiller neither makes the use of braindumps right nor wrong.
5/22/03: billy mayz from Spokane says: I am more upset about jobs going to India. I could care less about BD's.
5/23/03: Anonymous says: The idiot who threatened to put a bullet in someones head: You're a sad b4stard. Get a life asshole. Indians - let's start by sending them back. Am I racist - no (I'm Indian)but we need to do something about the Indian IT industry to save our jobs here in the West. They're having their cake and eating it too!
5/23/03: Exam Developer says: Remember that little non-disclosure agreement you all clicked on before taking the exam? Like it or not, you agreed to protect the integrity of the exam, and by participating in braindumps, either as a provider or a recipient, your behavior is, at best unethical and at worst, criminal.
5/23/03: Rainman from New Jersey says: Now we only have to stop all the colleges from handing out braindumps to the students. We should put the teachers who hand out braindumps in jail too, not just the site owners.
5/23/03: Anonymous says: The whole idea of measuring persons qualifications by tests is totally screwed up. Work experience should be the only thing that counts. So being as unnatural as it is this system should slowly die by itself. Considering this braindump sites are actually helping the nature to take its course by speeding up the process. MCSE certification is basically worthless now and getting even more so by hordes of clueless folks joining in from all around the world. GOOD!!! Let the silly thing finally die. I'm not so sure about the bright future that awaits us after the funerals, but it cannot possibly be any worse than the situation we got now. Pessimist me...
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