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More Than Just Canada: Microsoft Debating World-Wide MCSE Name Change


6/20/2001 -- Microsoft Certified Professional Magazine reports in its July 2001 issue that Microsoft is considering a world-wide revision of the Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE) moniker.

The article, which appears on page 16 of the issue, says that "Microsoft has considered following suit with IBM and Cisco, both of which use 'expert' in the name of their premier credentials...[Microsoft is] also debating the possibility of revamping the title altogether." Eckhardt Bohme, a certification manager for Microsoft, is cited as the source of the information.

Although it has previously been speculated that Microsoft would change "Engineer" to "Expert" for Canadian MCSEs due to conflicts with licensing boards there, the article is the first time that Microsoft has publicly acknowledged that it is considering changing the name of the title for all MCSEs, or perhaps even scrapping the acronym for something else altogether.

Currently, the magazine's online counterpart, MCPMag.com, is conducting a survey to get MCSEs reaction to possible replacement titles. According to Dian Schaffhauser, editorial director of MCP Magazine, the information gathered will be shared with Microsoft. (Note: MCP Magazine and CertCities.com are both owned by 101communications.)

To participate in the poll, go to http://mcpmag.com/surveys/mcse. For more information about Microsoft's certification program, click here.  -B.N



There are 67 CertCities.com user Comments for “More Than Just Canada: Microsoft Debating World-Wide MCSE Name Change”
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7/9/01: Chakravarthy, MCSE, CCNA says: It does not make any difference. Microsoft is releasing next Network OS before we complete win 2000. Probably they will change the name again when the release the next version after win 2000.
7/10/01: Lilianne says: Is Novell changing the CNE title? What's the difference here besides a brand? I am positive there are many Novell Engineer's in Canada and in Texas who have used the designation "Engineer" for years without any problems.
7/12/01: lowtempo, MCSE Hey, I'like to call myself MCSG- Microsoft Certified Systems Guru.
7/17/01: Anonymous says: Probably as long as mcse's continue to stay away from any real engineering work, they'll be ok in most places.
7/18/01: bg says: microsoft has a good idea. But before you get called "expert" you have to take a recert test within 90 days, pay a fee for new certificates, mail in some here,some there, then in a year they say the mcse is retired, and you pay all over again, the game goes on!!!!
7/28/01: J says: Microsoft is on the right track in seeking an alternate title for MCSE. No doubt, the term "engineer" carries a lot of good-will and commands much respect. That's why the title is protected by law in many jurisdictions. The MCSE certification is closer to a technician qualification, not that there is anything wrong with that. One would think with all the creativity and brain power Microsoft employs, that a more distinct or appropriate title would have been found years ago.
8/1/01: D says: Change it to ! (formally known as MCSE)
8/1/01: E says: I could really care less what the acronym for MCSE means. I hold the MCSE and RHCE certification, and I do ENGINEERING work every day. My job title is a Network Engineer and I live in Texas, where supposedly I can't be called an Engineer without the appropriate degree. Novell defended their title for CNE several years ago, so I don't see why Microsoft should even need to discuss it. MCSE means you are a MICROSOFT Certified Systems Engineer, nothing else, nothing more, (unless you hold other certifications or degrees).
8/5/01: bob says: first off, i'm canadian. who the hell in my country thinks that they are better than anybody else? so sit down and shut up and leave my mcsengineer alone. before there were "real engineers", weren't there train engineers (still existing), sanitary engineers (so they changed the name from something else like garbage man.... sounds like the other engineers afterall) or even domestic engineer (go home and tell your spouse that they are going to jail because they are really a housewife/husband). grow up!!! change the name and you might as well drop the qualification all together cause nobody will know who to go to then!
9/1/01: JBMubo says: People who think calling an MCSE an "Engineer" is illegal or demeans their title, are just full of themselves..no wonder this debate sparked off from Canada. Canadians being Canadians..I would like to say that I am an Electronics Engineer with a 4 yrs degree and I work in this It bussiness because I love computers. I happen to have sat for a few papers on the MCSE 2000 track (I don't know about the old track.), and all I can say is that these Tests are not any easier that what i got in college. What M$ should may be do is try to differentiate the two MCSEs (Win2k and Nt). After college Degree I felt like just any other Engineer, But I believe I will become A real "Engineer" after completing my MCSE!!
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