Novell Temporarily Drops Most Master CNE Requirements
8/14/2002 -- Through January 2003, Certified Novell Engineers (CNEs) who want to add the word "Master" to their certification don't need to take the four Master-level exams normally required to achieve the title.
Instead, Novell is allowing all NetWare 5.x CNEs to become Master CNEs by passing two exams: one that upgrades their CNE title to version 6 (exam #50-676), and CompTIA's IT Project+ exam (which is a continuing certification requirement for the standard Master track).
Karl Childs, manager of Novell's certification program, told CertCities.com that the temporary promotion is designed to increase the number of Master CNEs. "We wanted to create a strong volume of voice for Master CNEs in this industry...We want to make sure these professionals are heard," he explained. "This should help us increase their numbers."
Childs said that so far, it appears to be working. "We have a self-study kit for IT Project+ that we've already sold out....twice," he noted. "We currently have 8,000 Master CNEs....I expect we'll have 3,000 or 4,000 more [by the end]."
Childs said the program has received some negative feedback from Master CNEs who earned their title the traditional way. He said that although nothing has of yet been decided, there's a possibility that the program could place more demanding continuing certification requirements on Master CNEs who earn their title through the promotion.
More information on the promotion can be found here.  - B.N.
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| 8/21/02: Jim R. from Olympia, WA says: |
I believe this decision will be Novell's downfall in the certification markets. Not only for Novell's CNE-MCNE programs but all Novell certifications, including CDE. I don't care if it is only temporary. Even if it's only for one week or one day! How good can a canidate feel about being "handed" one of the highest certifications Novell has. As for me, I was one of Novell's first CNEs, ECNEs and MCNEs. I am also a Master CNI. What's next Novell? Do you have enough MCNIs? Is Novell ready to devalue that program, too? Even if they don't; what will the IT industry "think"? MCNIs are equal to CNIs now? "Oh, isn't that the program that Novell just allowed existing CNIs to become MCNIs like they did their CNE program?" I've never understood Novell's marketing strategies. It's been one of the most frustrating topics of discussion for me about Novell. I am one of a small handful (maybe two) current MCNEs-MCNIs left in Western-Washington. There are only two training centers in Western-Washington that still teach Novell and I'm one of them. Each year it has been a tough decision to renew our certification status (both as a training center and for me as an instructor). The bottom-line just hasn't proven that we should stay with Novell another year but at my pleading, my center renewed its application for NEAC again this year. I totally agree with the others, especially Robert because this next renewal period, I won't be pleading for Novell. Yeah, Novell "might" get 3,000 or 4,000 new MCNEs but what will the total look like when the original ones (the ones who busted their butts to obtain a cert that actually meant something) drop or decline to renew. Novell just made my decision about renewing easier than it's even been. Thanks Novell for the big slap in the face. -Sorry about the sarcasm but I feel like a sucker- By the way, I believe that the reason I'm a good networking professional is because of the foundation of skills I learned through the ranks of the Novell certification programs and experience. Those skills I carried with me through the Microsoft and Cisco certifications. I feel bad for the ones that will get the title without the status. I also do not believe Novell will make the numbers in MCNEs that Karl Childs predicts. |
| 8/24/02: Phil says: |
I don't think any current MCNE's should take this personally. You guys know what you know and noone is taking that away. Besides this is a temporary change that will stay in effect only until 12-31. If someone were to make the CNE requirments shorter by 3 test I would be a little upset but then again I know what I learned and my experience backs that up so the paperwork doesnt defeat that at all. |
| 8/24/02: Douglas says: |
Hey, can you MCNEs say MCSE. It looks like Novell is following the path of Microsoft. Take a cert down to it's lowest level, then wonder why nobody respects it anymore. I thought vendors now these days were trying to make certs respectable, but I guess the bottom line is money. As long as there is money to be made into reducing a cert, then that is where the vendor goes. Sad, really. |
| 8/31/02: Darth Vader from the death star says: |
Last time I saw a CNE I was but a learner now I am the Master...CNE. |
| 9/3/02: Roman from Baltimore says: |
I am a CNE since 1992 when Novell had the only about 1,500 of CNEs worldwide. I have upgraded my status for IntranetWare 4.x. Since then I almost forgot about being CNE because Novell practically lost the NOS market. We still offer CNE/CNA training but for the last two years even one (!) person did not ask about Novell training. I have many arguments against any certifications without hands-on knowledge (see the www.rtek2000.com 5-Step Career Guide). I don't think we have to spend money to feed hungry for our money ?wolves? that dream about every person on a planet to be certified. At least Novell makes the products. What the products make Prosoft, CompTIA, and many others? |
| 9/3/02: Disgruntled MCNE says: |
I agree whole-heartidly to the common vein of anger and angst that I'm reading in the previous comments. Speaking for several CNE and MCNE colleagues, I don't anticipate much CCR activity for our Novell certs. Regardless of anyones feelings for the strength of Novell's products, I am afraid that their lack of support for their "beloved" certified professional ranks will contribute to their end. It's a shame, but as a result of Novell's persistence to inflict such moves on the professionals who support their products, Microsoft may earn the right to say, "they (MS) suck less" |
| 9/5/02: Anonymous says: |
Don't know much about it, but 2 for MCNE. I wonder why not much companies are hiring CNE. The quality is going down. |
| 9/8/02: phil says: |
I dont know why you guys are so bitter about Novell cert change. This is a temporary change and besides if you know your MCNE stuff, the requirements should have no bearing on your at all. Novell is not dying at all. They did loose a large chunk of teh market due to their previous executive staff's ingornace in the marketing of the product and due to the release of a not so good version of netware 4.1. Novell has its niche and I believe always will. Not to mention many Novell exams do include simulations asking you to perform certain tasks with NWAdmin, or console 1 or even assign rights to users. Microsoft test do nothing of the sort. AS for the last posting, that is not true 100%. Like anything else it all depends on where you are located. For instance, in the Philadelphia area enough companies are running Novell 4 and 5, and seeing a CNE on a resume or even a MCNE still holds a lot of water..id say more so that the MCSE due to the fact that everyone and their mother now has a MCSE and the value is still there but its becoming a dime a dozen. People are brainwashed into believing that Novell certification is a dying breed so they all flock to microsoft. I have read and have been told that when looking into a networking position, whether it be entry level or mid level, people that have their CNE or MCNE typically outperform those with just their MCSE..why because Novell exams are more difficult and actually ask you to do certain things forcing you to become somewhat familiar with the operating systems tools. There is no quality going down with anything as much as it is with Microsoft certs. I am an MCSE and did it to open doors for myself, but soo0 many people have it, anymore it isn't "oh you have your mcse?"(impressed) to "I see the MCSE, do you know Windows?" The value is there for the cert but I still think Novell is respected highly by those that know anything about networking. |
| 9/10/02: Anonymous says: |
So basicly, this is like when Microsoft decided to change the rules and let old NT 4.0 MCSEs stay, just to be able to say 'we are big, we have 600,000 MCSEs certified' instead of maybe 60,000. Novell does the same unethical, unfair, ungrateful thing to all its high quality certified professionals, just to increase the number of MCNEs, just for the profit. For Phil: i don't know about CNE, so I won't comment on the assertion that they are better than MCSEs. However, any person who has earned honestly his/her MCSE will know Windows thoroughly, you can be sure about that. Except those who went the braindump way. Speaking about this, aren't there any paper (M)CNEs? As there are many people with Ph.D.'s valuing just about nothing, there are many certified nobodies. There will never be a perfect certification or degree so you will be able to rank people. Because no certification can check all the possible situations. It's finally your experience, your IQ and your rapid thinking that count. And I can say that, because I am a doctor, and medicine is one of the fields where you can find many mistakes made by certified specialists (as the trials show). So learn to live with it! Certification/degrees/papers were invented for the bureaucrats who need to be able to motivate why they hired X and not Y. They cannot be tools of comparison between people, says a stupid MCP who knows nothing and can hardly wait to become a clever CNE :-). |
| 9/10/02: Mike - MCNE from Indy says: |
I consider myself a very qualified MCNE. I earned my certifications through hands on experience and practical knowledge. I didn't sit and memorize test questions or pay to have someone give me the answers. I only wish Novell would step back and take a long look at what they are doing here. I for one value my MCNE, and to have the quality of the cert degraded in such a manner leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Novell had better realize that it's the current MCNE's that have to consistantly stand behind Novell products and Novell as a company when Corporate execs come in and try to tell you that they want to see Microsoft run the show. It's very disheartening to feel like they just don't care about us. |
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