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Printed Date: 14 October 2007 at 5:37pm
Topic: JNCIA-ER
Posted by: Headhunter
Subject: JNCIA-ER
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 12:33am
| over and done with.... this makes CCNA a walk in the park IMHO ------------- Koen CCSI#30501 CCNP CCIP CCVP CCSP CCDP CQS-Cisco Wireless LAN Design & Support Cisco Unity Design Specialist Cisco IP Telephony Design Specialist JNCIA-ER MCSE MCSA:Messaging |
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Posted by: Wildcat_Dude
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 4:19am
| Congrats ------------- MCSE:Security & MCSA:Security, MCDST, MCP XP, CompTIA Sec+, A+ & N+ USAF (68-77) SP K9 Vietnam Vet 1969-DaNang, 1970-Tuy Hoa, Retired Police Detective/Narcotics/K9 |
Posted by: BosonMichael
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 5:07am
| Congrats! ------------- BosonMichael (formerly TMichael) MCSE+I, MCSE: Security, MCDST, MCDBA, OCP, CCNP, CCDP, CNE, SCSA, Security+, Linux+, Server+, Network+, A+ Served proudly, US Army, 98C Intelligence Analyst, '89-'92 |
Posted by: BosonJosh
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 7:16am
| Great...Congrats! |
Posted by: aljph
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 8:49am
| congratz as well Headhunter!...what score? ------------- CCVP, CCNA, CS-CRMCS |
Posted by: BosonMichael
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 8:52am
A passing one.  ------------- BosonMichael (formerly TMichael) MCSE+I, MCSE: Security, MCDST, MCDBA, OCP, CCNP, CCDP, CNE, SCSA, Security+, Linux+, Server+, Network+, A+ Served proudly, US Army, 98C Intelligence Analyst, '89-'92 |
Posted by: aljph
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 9:25am
| I will be sitting the exam as well. either friday or monday. I would like to take it today/tommorrow bt prometric schedule doesn't allow, & i'll have to drive+1hr to testing center. anyways I am wondering more about Headhunter comment that " this makes CCNA a walk in the park IMHO " ?? seems like CCNA & JNCIA-ER the same only one is IOS/Cisco and the other of course is JUNOS/Juniper. One should not be any harder or easier than the other just each using their own proprietary terms and code. The underlying technologies is the same but I am definately impressed with JUNOScript and J-Web on Juniper's routers!! :) Juniper Networks !!------------- CCVP, CCNA, CS-CRMCS |
Posted by: Headhunter
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 9:47am
| Well just look at the topics... no basic networking, BGP, services do you see that on CCNA??? ------------- Koen CCSI#30501 CCNP CCIP CCVP CCSP CCDP CQS-Cisco Wireless LAN Design & Support Cisco Unity Design Specialist Cisco IP Telephony Design Specialist JNCIA-ER MCSE MCSA:Messaging |
Posted by: BosonMichael
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:17am
Why shouldn't one be harder than another? I can make an incredibly easy exam on Cisco's concepts... and I can make an extremely difficult exam on Cisco's concepts. All depends on how *I* create the exam. Different writers... different levels of difficulty. ------------- BosonMichael (formerly TMichael) MCSE+I, MCSE: Security, MCDST, MCDBA, OCP, CCNP, CCDP, CNE, SCSA, Security+, Linux+, Server+, Network+, A+ Served proudly, US Army, 98C Intelligence Analyst, '89-'92 |
Posted by: aljph
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 6:22pm
OK TMichael..valid.. and we have Headhunter
so which one is it? Juniper's Subject Matter Expert's writing more scriptic questions over easily grasped topics/procedures compared to Cisco's S M Expert's scriptic questions? or is it that BGP and the firewall/packet filter/stateful firewall questions are the stumping one's or are they just written..again by more scriptic sm expert writers over there at Juniper. I also wonder if the cisco implemented Ciscripto or C-Web or even a stateful firewall into their enterprise routers if the smE's could make the questions hard on the CCNA? anyways just futhering the topic in comparison of the two different certs from two different vendors, which I admire and respect both. [edit: changed "there" to "their" changed "topic" to "subject matter" in regards to experts ------------- CCVP, CCNA, CS-CRMCS |
Posted by: JDog0254
Date Posted: 14 July 2007 at 5:59pm
Let me see if I am understanding you correctly. You DON'T think that cisco includes stateful firewall or a web interface in their routers?? http://cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6350/products_configu ration_guide_chapter09186a0080455ae3.html - Cisco IOS firewall http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/secursw/ps5318/produc ts_user_guide_book09186a00807e5829.html - Cisco Router and Security Device Manager Feel free to correct me if I am off base. ------------- JDog0254 CCNP,CCSP,A+,Network+,Server+ |
Posted by: aljph
Date Posted: 14 July 2007 at 7:12pm
| I do not remember that in the CCNA objectives. that was the point only. I wasn't referring to any highend router/package/IOS. You are not offbase. also see: JUNOS Routing Protocols Configuration Guide and the JUNOS Policy Framework Configuration Guide & http://safari.oreilly.com/032112245 - Juniper Networks® Field Guide and Reference for those pursuing this opp with Juniper Fast Track for Cisco Certified engineers ------------- CCVP, CCNA, CS-CRMCS |
Posted by: BosonMichael
Date Posted: 14 July 2007 at 7:29pm
| The 1800-series routers aren't considered "high-end"... but they contain a stateful firewall and some even contain wireless... and if they're not on the CCNA now... they will be in August. ------------- BosonMichael (formerly TMichael) MCSE+I, MCSE: Security, MCDST, MCDBA, OCP, CCNP, CCDP, CNE, SCSA, Security+, Linux+, Server+, Network+, A+ Served proudly, US Army, 98C Intelligence Analyst, '89-'92 |
Posted by: aljph
Date Posted: 14 July 2007 at 7:59pm
| http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/current_exams/640-801. html#examtop - CCNA Exam objectives no packet filtering /nor stateful anything in there..nor GUI/HTTP(s)/ interface but there is ..."Evaluate rules for packet control " and some things develop, implement troubleshoot access lists http://www.juniper.net/training/certification/resources _jnciaer.html - JNCIA-ER Exam Objectives here there is "Packet Filtering Identify the configuration of a stateless packet filter Secure the router by applying packet filters to protect the Routing Engine" "Describe the way to access and navigate the J-Web interface Identify J-Web installation and operational status Install J-Web on platforms where it is not installed by default" & "Identify Initial configuration steps via J-web (user accounts, SNMP, time, DNS, remote access) " and many more instances of J-Web GUI - -Note does not mention stateful firewall in the objectives but there is always that: " This list is intended to provide a general view of the skill set required to successfully complete the specified certification exam. Topics listed are subject to change." -which allows them to sneek things in which were mentioned in the required/recommended study materials for example in the [OJRE_SG_8.a-R] we have under Adaptive Services " Configuration and Monitoring of Stateful Firewalls " it is not included/mentioned in the exam objectives see for yourself a sample chapter on the topic from the book: http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=30666 - Juniper Routing Policy and Firewall Filters By Gary Drenan, Aviva Garrett, Cris Morris. Sample Chapter is provided courtesy of Addison Wesley Professional. Date: Jan 24, 2003. which oulines the Policy Terminology AND Comparison of Routing Policies and Firewall Filters can we agree Juniper's packet filtering terminology is synonymous to Cisco's access lists both just in a basic sense controlling the flow of information in and out of the router's interfaces which may all fall under Routing Policy ? ------------- CCVP, CCNA, CS-CRMCS |
Posted by: BosonMichael
Date Posted: 14 July 2007 at 9:24pm
That's... so totally not the point... ------------- BosonMichael (formerly TMichael) MCSE+I, MCSE: Security, MCDST, MCDBA, OCP, CCNP, CCDP, CNE, SCSA, Security+, Linux+, Server+, Network+, A+ Served proudly, US Army, 98C Intelligence Analyst, '89-'92 |
Posted by: aljph
Date Posted: 14 July 2007 at 9:44pm
I know it is "I" thing which is the point "I" decide to make/write the exam questioning. not the topics which make the difference, right? ------------- CCVP, CCNA, CS-CRMCS |
Posted by: BosonMichael
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 12:01am
I have no idea what you just said. ------------- BosonMichael (formerly TMichael) MCSE+I, MCSE: Security, MCDST, MCDBA, OCP, CCNP, CCDP, CNE, SCSA, Security+, Linux+, Server+, Network+, A+ Served proudly, US Army, 98C Intelligence Analyst, '89-'92 |
Posted by: aljph
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 7:26am
your point was this.. right? TMichael do you do the network related stuff for Boson? with all those certs you are probably like Boson's Senior Network Engineer/Admin right? or you help with making tests and testing software? ------------- CCVP, CCNA, CS-CRMCS |
Posted by: BosonMichael
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 12:31pm
No, that wasn't the point either. No, I am a Senior Content Developer at Boson - I write the questions and explanations for the exams. I was the Senior Network Administrator at my previous job, which I left two months ago to come to work for Boson. ------------- BosonMichael (formerly TMichael) MCSE+I, MCSE: Security, MCDST, MCDBA, OCP, CCNP, CCDP, CNE, SCSA, Security+, Linux+, Server+, Network+, A+ Served proudly, US Army, 98C Intelligence Analyst, '89-'92 |
Posted by: aljph
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 2:39pm
| TMichael, that is cool. what WAS the point, anyways? ------------- CCVP, CCNA, CS-CRMCS |
Posted by: BosonMichael
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 7:30pm
The point was, you said "if Cisco implemented... a stateful firewall into their enterprise routers":
And my point was that Cisco *has* implemented a stateful firewall into most of their *basic* model routers. It doesn't matter whether those questions are on the CCNA or not... a firewall exists on most current Cisco router models... there's no "if" to it. ------------- BosonMichael (formerly TMichael) MCSE+I, MCSE: Security, MCDST, MCDBA, OCP, CCNP, CCDP, CNE, SCSA, Security+, Linux+, Server+, Network+, A+ Served proudly, US Army, 98C Intelligence Analyst, '89-'92 |
Posted by: aljph
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 9:13pm
| I understand what you are saying. I hear you and, I agree with the " http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/secursw/ps1018/index. html - Cisco IOS Firewall " being stateful with the included CBAC, which is *only included in the IOS firewall feature set. So if most every basic model includes the IOS firewall feature set then yes you would be correct. "Context-based Access Control (CBAC) examines not only network layer and transport layer information, but also examines the application-layer protocol information (such as FTP information) to learn about the state of TCP and UDP connections. CBAC maintains connection state information for individual connections. This state information is used to make intelligent decisions about whether packets should be permitted or denied, and dynamically creates and deletes temporary openings in the firewall. CBAC also generates real-time alerts and audit trails. Enhanced audit trail features use SYSLOG to track all network transactions. Real-time alerts send SYSLOG error messages to central management consoles upon detecting suspicious activity. Using CBAC inspection rules, you can configure alerts and audit trail information on a per-application protocol basis. CBAC is only available in the Cisco IOS Firewall feature set." I wonder if stateful firewall will be included in the August update to the CCNA,? Would the questions be harder on CCNA if questioned or JNCIA's? ------------- CCVP, CCNA, CS-CRMCS |
Posted by: JDog0254
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 10:27pm
This argument seems to be completely pointless... I'm sure whatever brand you have the most experience with would be the easier test, but what relevence does that have to anything??? ------------- JDog0254 CCNP,CCSP,A+,Network+,Server+ |
Posted by: aljph
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 10:36pm
| for discussion only and that is a good point. I mean that what you said about whatever brand you have the most experience with would be the easier test, which is the good point. we have three points now; the topics included, the writers and how they write the questions and now which brand you have the most experience with. ------------- CCVP, CCNA, CS-CRMCS |
Posted by: BosonMichael
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 11:45pm
I'd expect that sort of information to be on a CCSP exam, not on a CCNA exam. ------------- BosonMichael (formerly TMichael) MCSE+I, MCSE: Security, MCDST, MCDBA, OCP, CCNP, CCDP, CNE, SCSA, Security+, Linux+, Server+, Network+, A+ Served proudly, US Army, 98C Intelligence Analyst, '89-'92 |