The the SCJP worthwhile ?
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Printed Date: 22 October 2007 at 8:06pm
Topic: The the SCJP worthwhile ?
Posted by: renton13
Subject: The the SCJP worthwhile ?
Date Posted: 05 September 2002 at 11:29pm
| I am studying to take the SCJP exam and I wondering if employers even care if you have would my time be better spent doing other things to make myself more marketable? I like java and I know it pretty well and I would like to get the cert except being unemployed money and time need to go where they are best spent. Thanks for any advice you can give, Chris |
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Posted by: yktsang
Date Posted: 11 September 2002 at 8:34am
| about java certs I also consider starting but with MS .net coming it seems hard to decide which to do: java or .net cert? However if you are proficient in the thing getting certified in it should just make you more stand out. |
Posted by: BillDoors
Date Posted: 13 September 2002 at 10:52am
SJCP (not SCJP) is not enough, you need a good combo: Oracle App Developer+SJCP is a good combo... or Oracle DBA+MCDBA+SJCP... and be sure to get yourself an IT degree if you don't have one.  |
Posted by: hasanrz
Date Posted: 26 September 2002 at 11:29pm
| Hello guys. I need to knpw is SCJP is worth anything without a IT degree cz networing certifications do worth a lot even wihout an IT degree <RoniN> ------------- <RoniN> |
Posted by: pvcsvmux
Date Posted: 15 October 2002 at 12:28pm
| I would say that it all depends. In my opinion, the SCJP is not really a tool for getting you a job. An IT degree will take you much farther than a certification. Then again the point of certifications it to add them to your resume. The best combination would be an IT degree, some experience, and certification. But then again, a certification is better than no certification. |
Posted by: Becky Nagel
Date Posted: 24 October 2002 at 11:38am
| From what I've heard, in the programming/developer world IT degrees are much more important than certification, and that degrees much more of a requirement for these jobs than, say, for networking jobs. Do you guys agree with that? -- Becky |
Posted by: TranscenderJosh
Date Posted: 23 February 2004 at 12:26pm
| Actually, I would say that experience rules more so than certifications/degrees. However, I am from the point of view that any additional advantage is useful. The main difference between networking and programming certs is that it's a little easier to test in an interview whether someone knows a particular language and can program. IMO, it is harder to do that with networking technologies. |
Posted by: hotdogjones
Date Posted: 21 March 2004 at 12:24pm
| I have found in the dc area that certification is required for a java job. I developed 4 java applications along with backend j2ee websites at home and it did not count. I have 20 years of software development experience. 10 years of experience in OO and C++. Good references and it did not matter !!! After 6 months of being out of work I finally decided to take the java certification exam. I passed it and got job offers. The government contractors and contracts require certification. If they ask one potential job canditate they have to ask them all. I found the same with commerical work. It is really sad that certifications are more important than degrees and experience. Personally I think they use it a form of age discrimination. They know the older guys don't have the certifications. Also the type of interview questions are like certification exams. So be ready to be roasted. I loved it when they tried to Zing me on the job interviews. Without the certification I would have never been able to answer the questions properly. I have never seen such a bad job market like this. Apparently for many of the positions about 1000 people apply. After I read the certification book 2 times (cover to cover) 550 pages (2 weeks), I had to study about 5 (2.5 weeks) hours a day. Three hours reviewing index cards (about 350) and 2 hours taking a pratice timed test. My fingers got sore writing out so many index cards. It is crazy what they make your memorize. It is sad that you have to become a living reference manual. The java certification exam should be renamed to the java compiler exam. Many of the managers and program managers are very stupid today. They have no technical skills and know nothing. Five years ago they knew stuff. Now they depend on certifications to make judgements about hiring. |
Posted by: rflemen
Date Posted: 21 March 2004 at 2:26pm
I work in a development house that is primarily Java and VB and I don't think most of the people there care too much about SCJP mostly because there is not GUI development on the test like SWING or AWT...SCJP is nice but you will need to go further...will it get you a job...maybe...definitely not where I work...passing the technical interview will get you the job. Any development house that is ANY good will have someone do a technical interview after you come in for the initial interview, and they will grill you on real world issues...no multiple choice involved  ------------- -rob |
Posted by: ccalvin12
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 11:00pm
| IT degree holder easily get jobs and and that degrees much more of a requirement for developer/programmer jobs . For Java or any certification holder need experience in their specific area. Certification exam is a revision of your knowledge and prepare you for an interview. |