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If I Ran Microsoft's MCP Program . . . |
What would you change? Greg shares his ideas (including a hands-on component for the MCSE and a new post-MCSE title) as well as thoughts on the Accelerated exam and MCSE elective strategies. |
by Greg Neilson |
3/26/2001 -- This month I thought I would let my imagination go wild and see what tweaks I would make if I were in charge of the Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP) program. Let me start by saying I'm pretty happy with the current program, but I thought I would be fun to look at what changes each of us might make.
- Put Network Essentials back into the MCSE. This is important information that everyone should know, and just saying that this is assumed knowledge isn't good enough. As new people come into the networking field, they are not going to know this information and we'll all suffer for that later. Without a requirement in the MCSE, it forces those who want to demonstrate competency in the area to complete CompTIA's Network+ certification.
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Add a hands-on component. I would keep the existing 70-210 (Win2K Professional), 70-215 (Win2K Server), 70-216 (Win2K networking) and 70-217 (Win2K Directory Services) exams in the MCSE program. These are fine as is and don't require any tweaking. However, I would add a hands-on troubleshooting exam for the MCSE program, which must be done as the last MCSE exam. This borrows ideas from Novell's Service and Support exam and Red Hat's RHCE exam. For example, in my ideal world it could comprise these three components, which would be tested over a day:
- Hands-on server hardware and networking hardware troubleshooting exercises. This might take 2-3 hours.
- Theory exam about server and networking hardware, which might take 60-90 minutes.
- Hands-on Windows 2000 troubleshooting exercises. These again might take 2-3 hours.
Now, I know that the general feeling seems to be that this is too hard to organize, but I think it is doable -- Red Hat have shown us it can be done. With an exam of this nature, it would once and for all ensures that MCSEs really do know their stuff, killing the "paper MCSE" moniker. I really believe that this would add value back to the MCSE and people would be prepared to pay significant amounts of money to take this exam, which should cover the significant costs involved in setting this testing up. For example, I could imagine that this test may cost something in range of $600-$1,000 to sit, which is comparable in cost or less than the Red Hat and Cisco CCIE hands-on lab exams.
- Drop some exams. Since we have six exams already for the MCSE, this doesn't leave any room for design electives or BackOffice electives, so I'll have to drop them from my new MCSE design.
- Create a new premium certification. With the demise of the MCSE+I, I think that there is scope for a new premium MCSE certification level. We'll leave the name for a marketing guru, but we'll use MCEE (Microsoft Certified Enterprise Engineer) for now as a working title. The MCSE would be a prerequisite to entering this program. Based on the electives chosen, it could consist of a number of streams: Enterprise Win2K Directory Services, Enterprise Win2K network infrastructure, Enterprise Win2K security or Enterprise Win2K migration.
For example, you would take one of the existing 70-219 (Designing Directory Services), 70-220 (Designing security), 70-221 (Designing Network Infrastructure) or 70-222 (Upgrading from NT 4.0 ) exams. Then depending on the elective taken, there would be a advanced, hands-on, half-day troubleshooting lab exam to cover the area of specialization - say AD, or Win2K security.
Lastly, this new MCEE program would include two elective exams that would include the existing electives from the current MCSE pool. However, these electives would not be expired in the same way they do now: Only the core operating system exams would be expired.
But those are just my ideas: What would you change? I'm interested in hearing what you ideas you have. Post them below or e-mail me at .
In my February column, I briefly mentioned that I was preparing for the 70-240 Windows 2000 accelerated upgrade exam. I'm extremely relieved to tell you that I did pass that exam and my subsequent design exam and have now completed upgrading my MCSE for Win2K. However, I'm thinking it may be a good idea to keep going and complete a few more electives.
It seems that 90 percent of the MCSE population did TCP/IP and IIS 3.0 for their MCSE electives, so they are facing a total of four exams before they can upgrade their certification. Fortunately I had done some more recent electives and didn't need to upgrade my electives since I still had Exchange 5.5 and SNA Server 4.0 as valid electives. However, my concern is how quickly these Microsoft exams get expired. It's been five years now since I originally completed my MCSE on version 3.51, and since that time I've had 17 exams that I had passed become or will become expired (and this doesn't include any exams taken for my MCSD, which I held between 1996 and 2000). So I was thinking it would be a good idea to get some electives under my belt now, rather than being forced to later when it suits Microsoft and possibly won't suit me. My plan is to sit the Win2K network infrastructure design exam and use this as an elective, and later in the year I am contemplating taking one or both of the Exchange 2000 exams. I would definitely take an exam for Host Integration Server 2000 if offered since I had taken the exams for SNA Server (the old name for the product) versions 2.11, 3.0 and 4.0. However, it doesn't seem Microsoft has any immediate plans for an exam on this product.
What are your MCSE elective plans? How many electives have you taken? Post your comments below, or contact me at the address above. Until next month....
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Greg Neilson, MCSE+Internet, MCNE, PCLP, is a Contributing Editor for Microsoft Certified Professional Magazine and a manager at a large IT services firm in Australia. He's the author of Lotus Domino Administration in a Nutshell (O'Reilly and Associates, ISBN 1-56592-717-6). You can reach him at Attn: Greg.
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There are 22 user Comments for “If I Ran Microsoft's MCP Program . . .”
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4/5/01: Andy says: |
will someone answer this please? I became an NT MCSE before Dec. 2000. I acquired it by passing exams in TCP/IP and IIS4.0. Will I be recognized as an MCSE+I, if I go on to pass IE x.0, Exchange 5.5 and SQL Admin. 7.0 before years end 2001? I realize it will be short lived, but the exams -for me- are really about indicating I've acquired a working knowledge (not expertise) in the areas I intend to work. The credential is nice however! Thanks someone! [email protected] |
4/5/01: William says: |
Have done both SQL Server 6.5 and 7.0 Administration and database Design. When I pass 70-240 I will then have finished the MCSDBA. Am planning 70-222 as the design elective as my shop is parinoid. It would be nice to have an MCID,( Microsoft Certified Internet Developer) or MCBI( Microsoft certified BackOffice Integrator). |
4/5/01: Derrick says: |
Greg - I have to agree with you that adding a hands-on portion to the exam would be of great benefit but I think I would have to do it a bit differently than you described. I would not make the hands-on a requirement for the basic MCSE. The $600-$1000, which I believe is reasonable for this type of test if it is done properly, is just too much for entry level people trying to break into the field. I also think that the basics aren’t covered well enough before people begin to specialize so here's what I would do: <br> * Make the CompTIA A+, Network+, and Server+ exams prerequisites to your MCSE. I know far too many MCSEs who couldn’t get the cover off of a server or configure a RAID array.<br> * Eliminate the design and BackOffice exams from the basic MCSE. These are advanced topics that belong at a higher level.<br> * That gives you 7 exams just like you need now but I think would make you a much better qualified entry-level admin.<br> * Add a new a new premium MCEE cert that that would include a hands-on test. I’m not quite sure what I would want here. I have several years experience as an administrator of a large enterprise level Microsoft network and a few before that performing in support rolls but I wouldn’t consider myself a design expert. My company also has a group of Solution Architects dedicated specifically to designing and implementing new Microsoft network solutions and I’m just a the point now where I might qualify for an entry level spot on that team if I were willing to put up with the travel. Instead I would concentrate on things that would demonstrate your abilities in the system administration field. Here’s how I might set it up: Rather than creating a Microsoft exam on server and network theory, I would identify an appropriate vendor specific hardware certification like the Compaq ASE or something similar from IBM or HP and make having one of those a prerequisite and I would follow the model used by PMI with their Project Manager certification where they require that you demonstrate proof that you have worked in the field for a requisite amount of time, perhaps 2-3 years or so. Then I think a new advanced exam that covers the resource kit and scripting (at least Vbscript, WSH, WBEM, and WMI) would be appropriate and I would add the Clustering exam and the Citrix CCA certification (one test) as a requirement. Finally, I would have the hands-on exam as you described in your article.<br> * I would make the Internet/Intranet, BackOffice, and design exams separate advanced premium tracks with their own requirements. That’s not to say that you couldn’t take any of those exams if you wanted to demonstrate proficiency in some area or other but I would not make them electives at the basic level. It’s just my opinion but I would think you should be able to meet the requirements for the MCEE Premium title before you start designing network or eCommerce solutions or even being responsible for a company’s messaging or database infrastructure. <br> Yes this would be difficult and expensive but this would be a premium title and as the old saying goes: You get what you pay for (well you hope anyway). |
4/5/01: Steve says: |
I don't agree with any test taking over 3 hours, period. After taking the 70-240 I realized that 3+ hour exams are too long. I do agree that there should be some kind of hands on test to verify you know what you're doing. However, $600-1000 on top of the training costs, books and study guides etc. required to pass their exams would be excessive. Now, if they would throw in a free Technet/beta program subscription...I would have to consider it. I also agree they should come up with a replacement to the +I (MCSE+I and MCP+I) programs to show employers that you have Internet server knowledge. Lastly, I think that Microsoft should send you a certificate to show that you are in fact a 2000 certified MCSE. It was a real disappointment to pass all of the exams and not hear anything from Microsoft to confirm my upgrade. Even an e-mail would be good to confirm your status. |
4/5/01: Andy says: |
sorry to use this as a chat room (sort of)! Can anyone clear up Andy D.'s previous question? You all are contributing great stuff and I'm all ears - but specifically - my question!? Does anybody know? |
4/5/01: Becky says: |
Hi Andy -- According the requirements on the MS Web site for MCSE+I, the answer (based on exams you detailed) would be yes. |
4/6/01: Jim says: |
Certifications serve two very different groups of people. * Junior people looking to get started in the field need some method of indicating to employers that they have the basic skills necessary. CompTIA certifications do a pretty good job of filling this requirement. Microsoft assumes knowledge at the A+ and Net+ level - maybe these certifications should be formal prerequisites to the MCSE program. * Certifications also serve experienced professionals looking to advance their careers. This should be the intended role for the Microsoft certs. I would like to see an Administrator cert MCSA which would require A+, Net+ and one year of experience before writing the existing Core 4 exams. MCSE would require MCSA plus an additional year of experience before writing a few more exams. There could be specializations at this level - security, SQL, Exchange, etc... * Administering a program with prerequisites is more challenging but the Project Management Institute does it and the PMP certification is highly respected. A hands on lab has merit but they are at least as complex and difficult to administer and it will only be a matter of time before you have bootcamps to prepare you for the lab and people posting braindumps documenting their experience at the lab. I suppose it's possible to cheat on an experience requrement, I'm not sure how PMI polices their experience verification forms, but it should be a lot more difficult. |
4/7/01: Dickson says: |
Sorry, this is not a comment. Please I'll like to have Mr. Greg Neilson's e-mail address very urgently. I have some questions for him. Please I will defeinitely appreciate an earlier response. Thanks & God Bless you all. |
4/8/01: Mike says: |
Microsoft should have additional premium certifications in a variety of flavors for Back Office, Internet and Database. What Microsoft is overlooking is the opposite end of the spectrum. Microsoft has and is supporting the CompTIA + certifications. Microsoft and CompTIA should combine their certifications to create a hybrid certification. Or as others have suggested make them prerequisites to a premium certification CompTIA certification in A+ combined with an MCP in any current Desktop OS with a MOUS would earn a certification as a Microsoft Certified Desktop Specialist (MCDS) CompTIA certifications in A+ and Network+ combined with an MCP in any current Desktop OS with a MOUS would earn a certification as a Microsoft Certified Workstation Specialist (MCWS) |
4/9/01: rn says: |
The exam is good the way it is.. Stop trying to make things more difficult... NO exams computer or not means you can handle the job..I am tired of interviewing a bunch of super certified people who knows nothing.. Knowledge in this field is through experience and not a certificate.... |
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